Motley and Striped

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Re: Motley and Striped

by Adsclarke » 06 Jun 2010, 12:16

I have got in to the habit of saying het motley stripe these days. I know people expect a normal pattern then but at least I feel I am being accurate :)

Luckily with my tendancy to post pictures all the time people can usually scroll a little to see the snake in question ;)

So for example one of my more complicated males:

Amel het Motley Stripe het Caramel Diffused ph Anery Hypo

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Re: Motley and Striped

by scotsman » 06 Jun 2010, 13:47

I also use the term het Motley Stripe. It is the accurate way of describing the genetical make up. And as Johan says if people want to know more, then they should ask, a good breeder likes to talk about his snakes so it should be no problem.
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Re: Motley and Striped

by DPI » 30 Jun 2010, 17:46

Hi, i'm new in this forum.
and this thread it's awesome. congratulations

but i have a question about that, how can i obtain this morph Image

It is an untypical form of the DH motley stripe?? or what??

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Re: Motley and Striped

by SpecialCorns Johan » 30 Jun 2010, 20:02

Hi DPI,
Welcome to Iansvivarium 8)

What you have is a Motley,
Some of the dots are growing together, so it look like a "stripe"but it isn't.
It have nothing to do with the Stripe gene.
We call that also Reversed Striped or Pinstriped.

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Re: Motley and Striped

by DPI » 30 Jun 2010, 20:11

SpecialCorns Johan wrote:Hi DPI,
Welcome to Iansvivarium 8)

What you have is a Motley,
Some of the dots are growing together, so it look like a "stripe"but it isn't.
It have nothing to do with the Stripe gene.
We call that also Reversed Striped or Pinstriped.

Cheers Johan :NL:

Thank's for answer :D
it's genetical or for selection, or just luck :?

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Re: Motley and Striped

by Tonatiuh-MX » 21 Jul 2010, 18:36

Hi I have a question:

It's the same case of Blizard and Snow?

For my cross was Snow (female) x Blizard (male) and the genetic calculator says that would leave Amels het Anery A and Charcoal

but they went snows.

What happened?? :? :? :? :?

Thanks!!

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Re: Motley and Striped

by Heru » 21 Jul 2010, 19:54

Your Blizzard was probably het or homo anery a. As I just recently learned from Lex, they are still called blizzards even if they are homo anery a, so that's probably it.

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Re: Motley and Striped

by SnakeLady1990 » 27 Aug 2010, 05:24

I want to hear more...this is one of the first times I actually understood something. THANKYOU, I don't feel so braindead. Where can I find more on genetics explained like this for dummies like me?
1.0.0 Amel Motley Corn Snake ~Fanta Cee~
0.0.1 Amel Corn Snake ~Sun Glory~
0.1.0 Snow Corn Snake ~Still to be named~
1.0.0 Spider Ball Python ~Chocolate Drizzle~
1.0.0 Snow Stripe Corn Snake ~Still to be named~
0.1.0 Tremper Albino Leopard Gecko ~Neeko~
0.0.2 Baby Bearded Dragons ~General Lee and xXx~


1.0.0 Boyfriend, hahaha ~Korey~

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Re: Motley and Striped

by Jennet » 27 Aug 2010, 19:41

OK... you may think I should have looked at enough pictures and read enough on here by now to be able to answer this myself, however if you allow for the fact that my blonde roots are showing and the fact I'm older than dust would someone please enlighten me as to if Coco Splotch would be considered stipe or motley??... Thanks... Confused! :?

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Re: Motley and Striped

by Heru » 27 Aug 2010, 20:39

My guess would be Motley with very strong het markers for Stripe, but I am nowhere near an expert. Might as well be some not so brilliant stripes to me? :?

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Re: Motley and Striped

by SpecialCorns Niels » 01 Oct 2010, 17:30

Well Jennet shows a very nice example, that is a striped.
You can see multiple striped lines in the length of the body (4), a pinstriped just haves 1 striped at the central of the back.

Hope this makes it a bit more clear!
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Re: Motley and Striped

by monkeyjax » 31 Jan 2011, 15:10

Hi wondered if you could help brilliant thread btw!!!

I have a Butter Motley het Striped(label given when sold to me) she is visually Motley so if I've correctly read this thread she should be labelled Butter het Motley AND het Stripe??? Is there a way of entering this into the calculator???

If I was to breed her with a Normal Stripe het Amel, Caramel could I expect the following;

Normal
Normal Stripe
Amel
Amel Stripe
Caramel
Caramel Stripe
Butter
Butter Stripe
(with various hets)

Would Motley feature anywhere other than hets???

Many thanks,

Martin

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Re: Motley and Striped

by eeji » 31 Jan 2011, 20:52

het motley and stripe is technically correct but most people will say 'motley het stripe' because motley is how the snake looks. It can be confusing to people who aren't aware that motley and stripe are at the same locus because it makes it sound like motley is homozygous and stripe is heterozygous which is not possible.

with the pairing you have in mind, you have a chance of seeing:

normal motley
normal stripe
amel motley
amel stripe
caramel motley
caramel stripe
butter motley
butter stripe

You won't get any 'normally patterned' hatchlings because neither parent has a normal gene to pass down for the motley locus. You also won't know which of the motleys are homozygous motley, or het motley and stripe because they'll all look motley.

to put het motley/stripe into the corn calc, use 'Motley/Stripe - ms : Motley/Stripe'

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Re: Motley and Striped

by Seriva Senkalora » 16 Feb 2011, 23:47

Here in germany Michael Glass and Daniel Bohle named those "het Motley het Striped" ones "Motley-X-Striped" to make clear what they are and to dividide them from the Striped Motleys and to eliminate the wrong term "Motley het Striped". Well, to be honest a lot of breeders are still calling their "het Motley het Striped" ones "Motley het Striped"... (I use Motley/Striped, which is nearly the same as "Motley-X-Striped". ;) )

Currently I don't really know how to call my Motley-X-Stripeds who are showing the Striped Motley phenotype. Striped Motley-X-Striped sounds confusing, so I call them Motley/Striped to point out their genotype, because the phenotype can be seen easily. ;)

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Re: Motley and Striped

by Corns.dk » 17 Feb 2011, 11:24

What is the so-called 'rough striped' then? I have only seen this term used by German breeders until now.
I have been thinking that perhaps it is the Striped Motley X Stripe?
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